Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/23/2000 09:10 AM Senate FIN

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                          MINUTES                                                                                             
                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                    
                       March 23, 2000                                                                                         
                         9:10 A.M.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TAPES                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SFC-00 #59, Side A and Side B                                                                                                   
SFC-00 #60, Side A                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
Co-Chair  Sean Parnell  convened  the meeting  of the  Senate                                                                   
Finance Committee at approximately 9:10 A.M.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
Co-Chair  Sean  Parnell,  Co-Chair  Torgerson,  Senator  Dave                                                                   
Donley, Senator Loren Leman, Senator  Gary Wilken, Senator Al                                                                   
Adams, Senator  P. Kelly, Senator  Lyda Green,  Senator Randy                                                                   
Phillips.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
ALSO ATTENDING:  SENATE  PRESIDENT DRUE  PEARCE; SENATOR  TIM                                                                 
KELLY; BOB  POE, Commissioner, Department  of Administration;                                                                   
ALISON    ELGEE,   Deputy    Commissioner,   Department    of                                                                   
Administration;   DAVID   KOIVUNIEMI,    Special   Assistant,                                                                   
Department of Administration.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
            Overview:  State Employee Contracts                                                                                 
                           by the                                                                                               
                Department of Administration                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell stated that it  is imperative that the State                                                                   
understands  the  economic  consequences  of  the  negotiated                                                                   
contracts.  He  understood that the role of  the commissioner                                                                   
would be to  advocate for the negotiated contracts  on behalf                                                                   
of  the Administration.    Co-Chair  Parnell  noted that  the                                                                   
Committee  was meeting  to further  clarify the  non-monetary                                                                   
terms   of  those  contracts.     He   emphasized  that   the                                                                   
Legislature must  know the total  costs of the  contracts and                                                                   
the  changes that  the Administration  and  labor unions  had                                                                   
negotiated.   He reiterated  that the  intent of the  meeting                                                                   
was to provide further understanding of the contract items.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BOB   POE,  Commissioner,   Department   of   Administration,                                                                   
requested that Deputy Commissioner,  Alison Elgee and Special                                                                   
Assistant, David Koivuniemi join him at the table.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  advised that when the Department  looked at                                                                   
the  labor   contracts  and   determining  what   would  make                                                                   
economic, they created a wage  study, comparing key positions                                                                   
in State  government with  those in the  private sector.   He                                                                   
added that there is a range of  State employees whose work is                                                                   
dangerous and yet, important for the State.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  continued, over the past four  years, State                                                                   
employees have received  only one half of the  Consumer Price                                                                   
Index (CPI) increase  in pay for three years.   Last year, no                                                                   
union received any increase of any kind.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe commented that  State employees  contribute                                                                   
significantly to the State economy.   There are approximately                                                                   
21,700  State employees,  which includes  both part and  full                                                                   
time University employees.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator R.  Phillips requested the  number be broken  down to                                                                   
indicate  part-time, full-time,  permanent and  non-permanent                                                                   
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe offered  to provide  that information  at a                                                                   
latter date.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson  asked if any  union members  had received                                                                   
merit increases in the past year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  explained that anyone who  was eligible had                                                                   
received  a merit  increase.   He pointed out  that about  $3                                                                   
million dollars a  year goes toward merit increases  and that                                                                   
merit increases are absorbed through personal services.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Parnell inquired  if State  employees had  received                                                                   
increased payments by the State for health benefits.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe stated they did  not.  The State stayed with                                                                   
the  same  employee  contribution  as had  been  outlined  in                                                                   
previous  years.  The  State was  able to  do that given  the                                                                   
reserves,  which  had  accumulated,   at  that  level.    The                                                                   
Department  was  comfortable  that the  fund  was  adequately                                                                   
filled.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Torgerson   asked   if   there   had   been   some                                                                   
reclassification studies undertaken.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  acknowledged  that  there  had  been  some                                                                   
reclassification changes  and that some had  been downgraded,                                                                   
ongoing  personnel activities.    Over the  last four  years,                                                                   
three years  of contracts  provided specific increased  wages                                                                   
into the base of  one half of the CPI.  Last  year, there was                                                                   
no increase  in any  base, and  no increase  in the  employer                                                                   
contribution to health care.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson countered that  a merit increase qualifies                                                                   
as an increase.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
In response to a query by Senator  Phillips, Commissioner Poe                                                                   
stated that  increases had been accumulated  through employer                                                                   
contributions  and  based on  claims  that go  against  those                                                                   
funds.   If the claims are  lower than predicted,  more could                                                                   
be  accumulated.   That occurred  in  the General  Government                                                                   
Unit (GGU).   There were  reserves accumulated  because usage                                                                   
was lower than  had been allocated for.  There  are two types                                                                   
of reserves that are tracked:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     ·    Reserves for incurred but not reported claims                                                                         
     ·    Reserves for claims fluctuations                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  R. Phillips  asked  the amount  of  the State's  and                                                                   
employee's contribution.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell  requested that Commissioner Poe  be able to                                                                   
complete  his  presentation before  the  Committee  questions                                                                   
begin.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  proceeded,  of the  total  State  employee                                                                   
number, the payroll  is approximately $795 million  dollars a                                                                   
year.   He  believed  that would  equate  to  a $1.4  billion                                                                   
dollar  in- put  into  the Alaskan  economy.   Each  employee                                                                   
makes  an important  contribution  in the  service that  they                                                                   
give  Alaska and  the money  that they  spend within  Alaska.                                                                   
Commissioner  Poe  referenced   the  handout,  "Employment  &                                                                   
Earnings Summary Report".  [Copy on File].                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Parnell   noted  a   report  from  the   Office  of                                                                   
Management  and  Budget (OMB)  indicating  personal  services                                                                   
funding  by  bargaining  unit,  which  totaled  $886  million                                                                   
dollars - $453  million dollars of that being  general funds,                                                                   
$141 million  dollars  being federal funds  and $291  million                                                                   
being "other funds".  He emphasized  that the personnel costs                                                                   
are  higher  than the  $795  million  dollars alluded  to  by                                                                   
Commissioner Poe.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  inquired  if   the  OMB  numbers  included                                                                   
benefits.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Parnell  replied  that  they  were  categorized  as                                                                   
personal services and funded by bargaining unit.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  pointed out  that the study  indicates that                                                                   
changes in  wages tell a  lot about  how the State  system is                                                                   
fairing.   Between 1996  and 1998,  private sector  employees                                                                   
increased  wages  by 4.9%,  while  during that  same  period,                                                                   
federal employees  received a  16% increase; however,  Alaska                                                                   
State  employees received  .1%  increase.   The Alaska  State                                                                   
employees   are  not   fairing  well   compared  to   federal                                                                   
government or private sector employees.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Phillips inquired the  differences between the salary                                                                   
and benefits of the three groups.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  explained that there are  many differences.                                                                   
He noted that  a common dis-believe about State  employees is                                                                   
that they  have a  tremendous benefit  package.  He  compared                                                                   
such  statistics to  some  of the  cities  and boroughs  from                                                                   
which members of the Senate Finance Committee come.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     ·    Fairbanks - The City's monthly contribution is                                                                        
          $600 dollars per month for health care and the                                                                        
          employee contributes $0.                                                                                              
     ·    Kenai Peninsula - The Borough's monthly employee                                                                      
          contribution is $559 dollars per month and the                                                                        
          employee contributes $0.                                                                                              
     ·    Anchorage    -    The     Municipality's    monthly                                                                   
          contribution is $500 dollars and the employee pays                                                                    
          between $17 and $0 dollars per month.                                                                                 
     ·    Mat-Su - The Borough's monthly contribution is                                                                        
          $500 and the employee pays $0.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  acknowledged  that these  were  comparable                                                                   
plans  as  offered  by  the  State  of  Alaska.    For  State                                                                   
employees,  the employer  pays between  approximately $423  -                                                                   
$550 dollars  per month, and 85%  of the employees  receive a                                                                   
contribution  of $488.50  per month while  they pay  anywhere                                                                   
between $50 and $174 dollars per month out of pocket.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  acknowledged that the federal  employees do                                                                   
not have  quite as  good of  a benefit  package as the  State                                                                   
employees does.  The federal government  pays $330 per month,                                                                   
while  the  employees  pay  $135 dollars  per  month  out  of                                                                   
pocket.   He added that the  federal package plan  supports a                                                                   
"preferred provider" program.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
In the  top five  private industries  in Alaska, the  average                                                                   
monthly wage  is $3998 dollars.   In the federal  government,                                                                   
the average  wage is  $3805 dollars  per month, whereas,  the                                                                   
Alaska State  government average wage  is $3078 dollars.   He                                                                   
listed the top five industries by pay:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ·    Mining including petroleum production                                                                                 
     ·    Durable goods manufacturing                                                                                           
     ·    Construction                                                                                                          
     ·    Transportation                                                                                                        
     ·    Communications                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The job classes were divided into three elements:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     ·    Starting                                                                                                              
     ·    Five years into the career                                                                                            
     ·    Peak of career                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
In the wage study, in the lower  ranges 8, 9, & 10, the State                                                                   
paid  more than  the  private sector.   In  many  of the  job                                                                   
classes, the starting  salary was frequently  higher than the                                                                   
private sector;  however, by the  time that the  employee got                                                                   
to the  five-year point,  the wage  was about  even.   By the                                                                   
time  the employee  got  to the  peak  of their  career,  the                                                                   
salary was  significantly less than  the private sector.   At                                                                   
all three levels,  the State of Alaska pay  was significantly                                                                   
below the federal government.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe spoke to merit  increases.  He admitted that                                                                   
the  increases  cost  the  State a  little  over  $3  million                                                                   
dollars  per year.    During the  study,  it  was found  that                                                                   
private  industry  offers  a range  of  benefits,  which  are                                                                   
difficult  to compare as  they vary  dramatically.   He added                                                                   
that  the   federal  numbers   include   a  cost  of   living                                                                   
adjustment.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe stated  that  the Department  tried to  put                                                                   
together an  economic package  that was  fair and would  help                                                                   
State  employees to  deal  with  the impact  of  the cost  of                                                                   
living and  the changes in  the cost  of health care.   Every                                                                   
union was  offered the  same package  which included  a $1200                                                                   
dollar flat  payment to each employee  in the first  year; in                                                                   
the second year, a 2% increase  in the base; and in the third                                                                   
year, a 3% increase in the base.   Additionally, changes were                                                                   
offered to health  care.  In the first year  of the contract,                                                                   
the  employer   contribution  would  be  increased   to  $515                                                                   
              nd                                                                                                                
dollars; the 2   year, it would increase to  $575 dollars and                                                                   
         rd                                                                                                                     
in the 3   year, it would  increase to $630 dollars.  At $630                                                                   
dollars, every  bargaining unit  would be receiving  the same                                                                   
contribution.   That number  reflects the  total cost  of the                                                                   
health  care  plan today.    He  added  that health  care  is                                                                   
constantly increasing  at a much higher rate  than the normal                                                                   
cost-of-living.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ALISON    ELGEE,   Deputy    Commissioner,   Department    of                                                                   
Administration,  added that  there are  employees on  various                                                                   
plans, which  creates different  pricing schedule  for health                                                                   
insurance coverages.   In the  current year, Select  Benefits                                                                   
Plans  are priced  at $624  dollars,  an amount  found to  be                                                                   
insufficient.    To adequately  fund  the reserves  for  that                                                                   
plan, the price  needs to be changed.  Ms.  Elgee distributed                                                                   
a  handout:   "Cost of  Health  Insurance Premiums  effective                                                                   
2/1/00".  [Copy on File].                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  explained   that  the  Administration  had                                                                   
requested four  basic items from  the unions in  exchange for                                                                   
an economic package.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     ·    First - a three-year agreement.                                                                                       
     ·    Second - adoption of Workplace Alaska.                                                                                
     ·    Third - formation of a labor management committee.                                                                    
     ·    Fourth - the encouragement of moving unions to                                                                        
          labor trust.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
One of  the reasons that  Alaska is so  expensive is  that we                                                                   
are the last State having full  indemnity health care.  Other                                                                   
states use the  preferred provider program,  managed care and                                                                   
HMO's.   He acknowledged that  there are strong  positives to                                                                   
the  preferred  provider  agreements.    When  employees  are                                                                   
empowered to make the decisions  where their dollars go, they                                                                   
generally  make "tougher"  decisions  regarding those  funds.                                                                   
The idea behind  the trust would be to empower  the employees                                                                   
to make  the decisions  about how  their health care  dollars                                                                   
should be used.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe   referenced  the  handout:     "Collective                                                                   
Bargaining  Agreement".   [Copy on File].   Contained  within                                                                   
the  document  is a  list  of  the  total  costs of  all  the                                                                   
contracts  broken out  by wages  and health  insurance.   The                                                                   
total  cost is  broken  out by  fund source.    Additionally,                                                                   
cumulative costs  are included.  The total  general fund cost                                                                   
would be $12.9  million dollars for all twelve  contracts and                                                                   
total funds would be $24.7 million dollars.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell  asked if the  general fund number  excluded                                                                   
the  mental health  subsidy, which  amounts  to $1.6  million                                                                   
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe reiterated  the total  first year  costs of                                                                 
the  contracts.    The  total cost  would  be  $66.5  million                                                                   
general  fund  dollars with  total  funds of  $118.6  million                                                                   
dollars for the three years.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman asked the amount of the incremental cost.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe explained that  cost would incorporate  the                                                                   
year one,  two and  three columns  and then  would add  those                                                                   
numbers  together.   He noted  that the  packet included  the                                                                   
spreadsheets for each bargaining unit.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     ·    Public Safety Employees Association (PSEA)                                                                            
     ·    Local 71 - Labor trade and crafts                                                                                     
     ·    Correctional Officers (some represented by PSEA)                                                                      
     ·    Masters, Mates and Pilots                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DRUE  PEARCE  asked the  cost  of  health  insurance                                                                   
[comments inaudible].                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Elgee responded  that  the health  insurance  provisions                                                                   
under  State contracts  are for  full-time  employees.   They                                                                   
exist for part-time  employees only if they work  30 hours or                                                                   
more  per week.   If  a part-time  employee  works less  than                                                                   
that, they have the option to  privately purchase health care                                                                   
in the program.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee  clarified that the  cost contracts  are authorized                                                                   
positions and  that they  are not all  full at any  one time.                                                                   
There is a vacancy assessment calculation on those dollars.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TIM KELLY  asked if benefits were paid  only on those                                                                   
employees currently working.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee  responded that health  benefits were paid  to only                                                                   
those employees in paid status and working.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Co-Chair  Torgerson  asked  if   the  non-permanent  and  the                                                                   
temporary employee would both receive the $1200 dollars.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  replied that  different  bargaining  units                                                                   
would  make separate  arrangements.   The rule  was that  the                                                                   
numbers could not be "pushed" but rather prorated.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson asked about the job classifications.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe reminded members  that there has been a long                                                                   
history   in  creating   the  contracts.     Merit   increase                                                                   
differences have  occurred over a  long period of time.   The                                                                   
bargaining unit  did not try  to change those  relationships.                                                                   
Recipients for  the $1200 dollars  were agreed upon  with the                                                                   
unions.  He  added that the package, as delivered  to Senator                                                                   
Parnell's office,  itemizes point-by-point each  contract and                                                                   
all the changes made.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe continued listing the components.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     ·    General Government Unit - GGU                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell asked the changes  made to the leave-area of                                                                   
that contract.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe explained that  there had been a significant                                                                   
change made  to the  manner in which  leave was addressed  in                                                                   
that contract.  GGU is the only  unit remaining that has sick                                                                   
leave and  annual leave.   The  overall accrual, when  adding                                                                   
sick leave  and annual leave is  a "gray" area  when compared                                                                   
to the other bargaining units.   The Administration agreed to                                                                   
allow those employees to have  the sick leave, and to convert                                                                   
50% of  it to personal  leave on a  one-time election.   That                                                                   
action  would allow  GGU  to get  off the  dual  system.   He                                                                   
acknowledged  that there  was a  significant financial  value                                                                   
associated with that change.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Torgerson  questioned what  "significant  financial                                                                   
value" meant to the Legislature.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  did not  have  that figure  available  but                                                                   
offered to provide the information.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell asked the average  number of sick leave days                                                                   
that an employee uses.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee  replied that  number could  vary.  Some  employees                                                                   
use all of  their sick leave every  year.  Unless there  is a                                                                   
threshold  reached,  the  entire   unit  could  go  into  the                                                                   
personal leave environment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell asked when that  threshold could be reached.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee  did not know.   The sense  of employees  desire to                                                                   
move into  the personal  leave environment  is stronger  than                                                                   
the union leadership's  sense of that.  The  Union's want the                                                                   
membership to elect that environment.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell  emphasized that  these are real  costs that                                                                   
the Committee must have access to.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Elgee  interjected  that   it  would  amount  to  a  50%                                                                   
conversion, not the entire amount.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  offered to provide that information  to the                                                                   
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell  asked, when Legislative workers  convert to                                                                   
that system, would they get to cash in their sick leave.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe replied it would go into a medical bank.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Elgee   added  that   all  non-covered  employees   were                                                                   
converted  at  a 60/40  ratio.    The  balance that  was  not                                                                   
converted into  a cash environment  went into  a catastrophic                                                                   
leave account,  which  would remain with  the employee  until                                                                   
there was a break in service.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Parnell  requested a  cost  estimate  of that  cash                                                                   
value.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  pointed out  that a similar  occurrence had                                                                   
happened within the supervisory unit.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson  understood  that the departments  believe                                                                   
that they can absorb the cash-out.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  agreed,  pointing  out  that  there  is  a                                                                   
significant  leave bank  at this  time.  He  stated that  the                                                                   
departments would  be able to absorb it because  it would not                                                                   
come all at one time.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson  voiced his  concern that the  departments                                                                   
would be responsible for such a payout.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee explained  how terminal leave and  leave protection                                                                   
is funded at the  present time.  The State  has two different                                                                   
working reserve  accounts for  those two particular  elements                                                                   
of pay.  They are calculated on  a three-year rolling average                                                                   
based on the actual activity of employees.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
In  response to  Senator Kelly,  Ms. Elgee  advised that  the                                                                   
State  would anticipate  that  those  employees  that do  not                                                                   
actually use  their leave  as leave, would  end up  taking it                                                                   
either as  a leave cash-in  or as a  terminal leave  over the                                                                   
life of their  employment.  The average State  employee works                                                                   
for the  State about  seven years.   She  indicated that  the                                                                   
cash-out would be  a minimal impact in terms  of departmental                                                                   
budgets.     The  cash-out  would   not  impact   a  specific                                                                   
department  or  a  specific  appropriation.     It  would  be                                                                   
budgeted separately through the personal service factor.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee explained that it is  important to remember is that                                                                   
as these employees are converted  to a new leave environment,                                                                   
they would be accruing less leave than they currently are.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell  countered that in current  contracts, there                                                                   
is a cap on  the accumulated leave; however, there  is no cap                                                                   
on accumulated  leave for  those that  transition to  the new                                                                   
personal leave system.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Elgee  responded that  the  leave  cap was  specific  to                                                                   
annual leave and would not impact sick leave.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell  asked the  cash exposure  to the  State for                                                                   
not having a cap in place.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe responded that  personal services  would be                                                                   
"hit" from  time to time to cover  the expense.  None  of the                                                                   
leave accrual changes  are reflected in the  spreadsheet.  If                                                                   
the employee  is accumulating leave  and not using  it, those                                                                   
are productive  work hours  that would  otherwise be  vacant.                                                                   
He commented that this is an "opportunity  cost" that must be                                                                   
compared against the financial liability.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator R. Phillips  referenced the leave of  absence concern                                                                   
and  how that  compared  to the  federal  and private  sector                                                                   
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  replied that  the study had  indicated that                                                                   
the State system is close to that  used by the feds; however,                                                                   
State  employees  receive  more  holidays  than  the  private                                                                   
sector does.  State employees receive eleven paid holidays.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Leman requested  further information  on each  unit,                                                                   
indicating the number of days of sick leave not taken.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe explained that  "abuse" is in the eye of the                                                                   
beholder.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman asked  for a comparison of the  sick leave used                                                                   
in  relationship to  personal leave  used.   He claimed  that                                                                   
people "get healthier" when the  sick leave has been used up.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Elgee noted  that many State employees were  converted in                                                                   
the late 1970's,  at which time, an audit was  performed that                                                                   
investigated  implications  voiced  by  Senator Leman.    She                                                                   
offered to research that audit.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe spoke to  sick leave  balances as  of March                                                                   
1999.   Of 7,748  State employees,  3,300 had  less than  100                                                                   
sick leave hours.  Only 24 employees  had over 2,000 hours of                                                                   
sick  leave.   The  number of  employees  with between  0-200                                                                   
hours of  sick leave totaled 4,493.   The total value  of the                                                                   
sick leave, when using the 50%  conversion rate, would amount                                                                   
to  $24 million  dollars.   The  value  of  sick leave  hours                                                                   
varies according to the range or step within that range.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Parnell  asked  if  there  had  been  a  projection                                                                   
regarding the amount of the annual cash out.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Poe  stated   that  he   would  provide   that                                                                   
information to the Committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
In response  to Senator  P. Kelly,  Ms. Elgee explained  that                                                                   
the  reserve  accounts  are  accumulated  through  a  payroll                                                                   
charge.  The State calculates  the necessary amount as one of                                                                   
the budgeting factors, looking  at a three-year history.  She                                                                   
agreed that there are tax implications  to cashing out all of                                                                   
an employees leave.   Most employees would reserve  a portion                                                                   
of their  leave, recognizing that  they could get sick.   She                                                                   
concluded  that most of  the employees  that use sick  leave,                                                                   
use it legitimately.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe clarified when  sick leave can be used.  The                                                                   
employee must adhere to the agreements  made by the State and                                                                   
that medical disability claims only receive 20-days of pay.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee explained  that the average length of  service of a                                                                   
State employee  is about seven  years.  The State  calculates                                                                   
the activity moving for the life of that employee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee  clarified that the  reserve was available  for any                                                                   
employees that are doing leave  cash-in.  Those funds are not                                                                   
segregated or pooled by bargaining unit.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson inquired the  working balance left in that                                                                   
account.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee  explained that it  is replenished through  payroll                                                                   
each month.   The Department  attempts to maintain  a balance                                                                   
on an  annual basis  to meet  the annual  demand.   She noted                                                                   
that there is a separate account  for unemployment insurance.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson  asked if there was a  financial liability                                                                   
with  the new  bargaining agreement  attached  to the  annual                                                                   
leave.   He commented  that $24  million dollars  was a  huge                                                                   
financial stake.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe noted that the  manner, in which the statute                                                                   
reads,  indicates that  the things  that  affect useful  work                                                                   
hours would  require appropriation.   He  stated that  it had                                                                   
not been  included, as  the Administration  does not  believe                                                                   
that it  would require appropriation  and that over  time, it                                                                   
would  be absorbed.   He reiterated  that there  has been  no                                                                   
change to the annual leave liability.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee clarified that there  was approximately $10 million                                                                   
dollars  in  each  of  the accounts.    She  added  that  the                                                                   
Worker's   Comp  Claim   payments  pool   through  the   Risk                                                                   
Management budget.   There is no accrual basis  available for                                                                   
worker's  comp.  She  reiterated that  account is  completely                                                                   
cash funded.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson claimed that  did not follow what the work                                                                   
reserve account stipulates.  He  asked if Risk Management was                                                                   
paid before those funds were placed into the account.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee offered to check the  terminology being referenced.                                                                   
In  the  early  1990's,  the Legislature  made  a  choice  to                                                                   
discontinue  funding Worker's  Comp  on an  accrued base  and                                                                   
moving to  a cash base.   She believed  that the  statute had                                                                   
not been amended to reflect that change.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe continued with  testimony.  He noted that in                                                                   
the first  year, there  would be a  new merit step  effective                                                                   
for the life of the contract.   Employees benefiting from the                                                                   
merit step would not be receiving the $1200 dollars.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
That the  State has  attempted to  calculate how to  maintain                                                                   
the experienced  State employee, with a lot  of institutional                                                                   
knowledge.   GGU tried to  find something that  would benefit                                                                   
the  employees who  had  been  working for  the  State for  a                                                                   
longer period  of time.   GGU  suggested the merit  increase.                                                                   
The $1200  dollar flat  payment would go  to anyone  that did                                                                   
not benefit  from the merit step  and would be prorated  on a                                                                   
$50  dollar per  pay period,  for all  employees that  worked                                                                   
from July 1, 1999 through June 30, 2000.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Commissioner Poe noted that the  2% and 3% increase would not                                                                   
take  effect until  six  months  after the  first  year.   He                                                                   
reiterated that the increase would  be delayed for six months                                                                   
and that  the $1200  dollars would  only be  paid out  in the                                                                   
first year.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The Longevity  Step, the  new "G"  step, was established  for                                                                   
employees that had  been at step "F" for more  than one year.                                                                   
The costs were  calculated, with a small number  of employees                                                                   
in  that area.    Commissioner Poe  offered  to provide  that                                                                   
information to the Committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Torgerson referenced  the contract  and asked  what                                                                   
the $50 dollar one-time payment was.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  clarified  that the  $50  dollar  one-time                                                                   
payment was the  $1200 dollar flat payment for  a year broken                                                                   
out by paid periods.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson asked if there  was a cost associated with                                                                   
the State-maintaining  employees  in the  plan, if they  were                                                                   
terminated from the State workforce.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Elgee indicated  that  the employee  would  pay all  the                                                                   
costs associated with that plan.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe  stated  that   each  bargaining  unit  has                                                                   
certain employees  that they attune to their  specific needs.                                                                   
Delaying the  implementation of  the base and  pro-rating the                                                                   
$1200 dollars, would  provide a larger "bump"  in later years                                                                   
of employment.   The  Administration attempted  to level  the                                                                   
longevity steps, making a 3.75% increase between each step.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVID   KOIVUNIEMI,   Special    Assistant,   Department   of                                                                   
Administration,  corrected  that   some  steps  have  a  3.4%                                                                   
increase.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Parnell   pointed  out  that  the   longest  served                                                                   
employees  make almost  4.2% more than  other employees  over                                                                   
the life of the contract.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  agreed with that statement,  stressing that                                                                   
negotiating is a "give and take process".                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Torgerson  asked if some employee were  being frozen                                                                   
in specific  step ranges  so that  they do not  automatically                                                                   
receive merit increases.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe stated  that  in the  longevity steps,  the                                                                   
employee  would  not receive  a  merit increase  every  year.                                                                   
There are different time periods  used to calculate longevity                                                                   
increases.  In the end, no more are received.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Elgee  added  that  in  the  past,  employees  had  been                                                                   
"frozen" when  other types of action  have been taken.   As a                                                                   
result of the labor trade and  crafts classification and with                                                                   
the geographic  differentials changed, portions  of the State                                                                   
that would be  subject to substantially less  money than they                                                                   
currently receive,  were frozen until  they caught up  on the                                                                   
page  scale.   She reiterated  that  there are  a variety  of                                                                   
circumstances in which an employee could be "frozen".                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Parnell asked  what  would happen  with the  health                                                                   
insurance plan in the new contract.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe stated that  the intent  was to move  labor                                                                   
unions to  an employee directed  trust.  The concern  for GGU                                                                   
was that they wanted the State  to commit that there would be                                                                   
$4 million dollars  left in the reserve at the  time that the                                                                   
contracts  were  signed.    That   amount  would  allow  them                                                                   
official reserves  enough to  move to a  trust and  know that                                                                   
they had a sufficient cushion  to begin.  He pointed out that                                                                   
the Administration  could not  guarantee that there  would be                                                                   
$4  million   dollars   in  that  account.     However,   the                                                                   
Administration  agreed  that  there  would  be  a  sufficient                                                                   
balance to  move to  a trust.   The Administration  wanted to                                                                   
make sure  that the State  did not get  "stuck" with  all the                                                                   
liability and no reserves for the health care plan.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The  agreement  at   this  time  is  that  as   soon  as  the                                                                   
Administration  knows  that  there   is  $4  million  dollars                                                                   
available, GGU will then be able to move to a health trust.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Parnell asked  where the $4  million dollars  would                                                                   
come from.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe advised  that there  are two reserves  that                                                                   
are watched.   The first  is that which  is incurred  but not                                                                   
reported (IBR).   The  IBR is a  reserve for claims  existing                                                                   
that  are logically  based on  historic  data.   There is  an                                                                   
"additional  cushion"   or  "claims  fluctuations"   reserves                                                                   
resulting from  unanticipated kinds of claims.   He clarified                                                                   
that it was not indented that  these reserves would come from                                                                   
the general fund.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator T. Kelly inquired the  amount that would be remaining                                                                   
for the other unions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe replied that  would depend on what the claim                                                                   
projections might be.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee added that within the  health trust, all the select                                                                   
benefit people are  pooled, as are the GGU  employees.  Those                                                                   
employees   have  different  premiums   and  different   plan                                                                   
designs.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator T. Kelly  understood that three of the  twelve unions                                                                   
have gone  to a  trust system.   He  questioned if funds  had                                                                   
been transferred over to the other trusts.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee explained  what at the Administration  had done for                                                                   
the Labor,  Trades and Crafts  unit.   She did not  know what                                                                   
had happened  with  the PSEA unit  and offered  to check  out                                                                   
that information.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  interjected that  the PSEA unit  buys their                                                                   
own health insurance.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Elgee   stated  that  there   were  advantages   to  the                                                                   
membership  from a  tax  perspective in  doing  it that  way,                                                                   
which was one of the appeals for that unit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell asked if that trust had been front-loaded.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee responded  that the Labor, Trades  and Crafts trust                                                                   
was created in 1984 and at that  point, most of the specifics                                                                   
were  settled   through  an  arbitration  agreement.     That                                                                   
agreement  identified  which  portion of  the  reserves  were                                                                   
being maintained  and belonged  to them.   It was  then, that                                                                   
portion  of the  reserves  was  moved into  the  trust.   She                                                                   
commented  that  the same  scenario  is being  discussed  and                                                                   
considered by GGU.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
In response to a request by Co-Chair  Torgerson, Commissioner                                                                   
Poe commented that the numbers  were part of the health trust                                                                   
and were  used relative  to the claims.   He stipulated  that                                                                   
this was not separate claims or statutory authority.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee  pointed out that the  health trust was  located in                                                                   
AS 39.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green asked  when the  change had  been made to  the                                                                   
"self  insured".   She questioned  if any  of the  bargaining                                                                   
units were part of that population.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Elgee commented  that  the State  went  self insured  in                                                                   
July, 1997.  At that point, the  Labor, Trades and Crafts and                                                                   
the  PSEA unit  already  had trusts.    Also,  at that  time,                                                                   
correspondence  teachers moved  into  the National  Education                                                                   
Association (NEA) trust environment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Parnell  asked how  many  were  left in  the  self-                                                                   
insured trust.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Elgee  replied  that  there  are  over  4,000  employees                                                                   
outside of GGU.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Poe  interjected that the largest  category, GGU                                                                   
was not included in select benefits.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
In response  to concerns voiced  by Senator Green,  Ms. Elgee                                                                   
clarified that there would be  no sharing of risk between the                                                                   
various groups.   All of  the costs  and all of  the premiums                                                                   
are accounted for separately as is the pricing.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Poe   stressed  that  health  care   costs  are                                                                   
increasing  everywhere.   GGU  and  the select  benefits  are                                                                   
significant  sides of the  "pool".  He  noted that  the risks                                                                   
had been  separately considered.   The health  trust provides                                                                   
the  opportunity   for  the  units  to  make   decisions  for                                                                   
themselves.  In  the end, it would reduce the  cost of health                                                                   
care.  He  summarized that theory had been  proven throughout                                                                   
the country.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Torgerson requested  a breakdown  of all the  costs                                                                   
associated with the agreements.   That figure could allow the                                                                   
Committee to consider total costs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell  voiced appreciation  to the Department  and                                                                   
advised that there would be additional hearings scheduled.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNED                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Parnell adjourned the meeting at 11:11 A.M.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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